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[00:00:00] Welcome to the Cockney episode of Who Moved the Tortoise?
[00:00:03] Who Moved the Tortoise?
[00:00:06] Mindless Wittering production
[00:00:11] All I knew was I wanted to try and understand the way the world works, the natural world
[00:00:25] More because we are human
[00:00:29] Science is the storytelling of our time
[00:00:34] For me, storytelling has always been the way to be solid
[00:00:43] Hello and welcome to Who Moved the Tortoise?
[00:00:46] A podcast about the science and wildlife films that have inspired people
[00:00:49] I'm Alex Hemingway
[00:00:51] And I'm Kate Dooley
[00:00:52] I love to just hear you guys talking like that
[00:00:59] Oh, that's so sweet
[00:01:00] I love it
[00:01:00] In each episode, we invite someone from the world of science or the media
[00:01:04] To share the thing that inspired them most
[00:01:07] It can be anything
[00:01:08] Fiction, comedy, documentary, animation, whatever
[00:01:12] The only rule at Tortoise HQ is that it has to have some kind of science or wildlife content
[00:01:17] This time, we're talking to location producer, Mariana Kneppers
[00:01:22] Mariana studied biology and environmental sciences at Elon University in North Carolina
[00:01:27] And then came to the UK to complete Imperial College's Masters in Science Communications
[00:01:32] She's worked as a researcher and assistant producer across a variety of science and wildlife projects
[00:01:38] For the Discovery Channel, National Geographic, Curiosity Stream and Love Nature
[00:01:42] She's moved through the ranks of human splasher for a macro studio shoot
[00:01:47] To human wave maker for a VFX tsunami sequence
[00:01:51] Mariana's choice for the film or TV show that inspired her
[00:01:54] Is a 2008 episode from the long-running Discovery series Mythbusters
[00:02:01] On this infectious episode of Mythbusters
[00:02:04] We glow the lid on those sensational viral videos
[00:02:09] Are you ready?
[00:02:10] I'm ready, let's do it
[00:02:11] Can you believe everything you see on the net?
[00:02:15] It's scientific!
[00:02:18] Like a sawdust cannon
[00:02:20] Say hello!
[00:02:23] Or a water-powered rocket car
[00:02:25] Ho, ho, ho, ho!
[00:02:28] Or even fainting goats
[00:02:30] We're gonna drop them with this one
[00:02:34] They don't just tell the myths
[00:02:38] They put them to the test
[00:02:47] We've put you on the spot and asked you for your inspiration
[00:02:50] How hard was it to pick something?
[00:02:53] Oh god, not difficult at all
[00:02:55] Like, it's so funny
[00:02:56] I would listen to so many episodes of this podcast
[00:02:59] I was like, I know exactly which show I would do
[00:03:01] Why Mythbusters?
[00:03:02] It was probably the first TV show that myself and my brothers were really obsessed with growing up
[00:03:10] I mean, we would watch it every week whenever there was a new, back in the TiVo days
[00:03:15] We'd always TiVo record them and watch them together on Saturday morning
[00:03:18] God, we just loved it
[00:03:19] It was the perfect balance of humour, science, and just chaos
[00:03:24] I just loved the chaos in it
[00:03:26] So much stuff goes wrong
[00:03:27] Yeah, it's such a good series
[00:03:29] I love it
[00:03:30] So this episode is from the sixth series
[00:03:32] It's the eleventh episode
[00:03:34] And it went out on September the 3rd, 2008
[00:03:38] Which made it, it was the 118th episode of Mythbusters
[00:03:41] How old were you?
[00:03:42] Where were you?
[00:03:43] What were you doing at this point?
[00:03:45] Yeah, let me do some quick maths
[00:03:48] I must have been, no, surely it couldn't have been 12
[00:03:50] Am I doing the math wrong?
[00:03:52] I don't know, you haven't told us any of the maths
[00:03:54] Yeah, yeah
[00:03:55] I was born in 1996
[00:03:57] It was 2008, really
[00:03:58] So I would have been, I would have been 12
[00:04:01] Yeah
[00:04:02] If you watched it then when it went out
[00:04:04] No, no, definitely, definitely
[00:04:05] Because we were following along with the season
[00:04:07] So I must have been 12
[00:04:08] That's so weird
[00:04:09] Because I just always imagined myself watching it as a teenager
[00:04:12] Which I did as well
[00:04:13] So, I mean, we know that you're quite international
[00:04:15] Yeah
[00:04:16] Very cosmopolitan
[00:04:17] Where were you at 12?
[00:04:20] I was in Walnut Creek, California
[00:04:22] Probably watching it on Saturday morning with my brothers
[00:04:25] It's actually, where we lived
[00:04:27] Was probably about 30 minutes away from where the studio was
[00:04:30] So it was really, what was so cool about watching the show
[00:04:33] Is you could recognise all the different points
[00:04:35] And I was like, oh, know where that is
[00:04:37] Oh, they're at the Alameda bomb range
[00:04:39] Didn't know they had a bomb range
[00:04:40] But I know where Alameda is
[00:04:41] So yeah, we would, you know, be watching it
[00:04:43] And it's kind of the same backdrop that they'd have
[00:04:46] In some of the scenes of kind of Mount Diablo in the background
[00:04:49] We have this kind of series of foothills that, you know
[00:04:51] In the East Bay area
[00:04:52] So you'd literally look out the window
[00:04:54] And then you'd see it on the screen
[00:04:55] And it was just, I don't know
[00:04:56] Made it feel so tangible and so close
[00:05:00] Jamie's picked out a fire training facility
[00:05:02] About 30 miles east of the city in Pleasanton
[00:05:07] Given that we're going to be harnessing hundreds
[00:05:09] Or maybe even thousands of horsepower of diesel pump energy
[00:05:13] And putting that through hoses
[00:05:16] This is kind of a dangerous situation
[00:05:18] That we don't really want to just dive into without preparation
[00:05:21] And so we're going to build a scale model
[00:05:24] See how well we can control it
[00:05:26] See if we can learn anything about it
[00:05:28] Before we start dealing with a big voice
[00:05:31] Did you love science at that point?
[00:05:33] Was it just the fact that your brothers loved it too
[00:05:35] And you could watch it with them?
[00:05:37] Honestly, we were a very science-y family
[00:05:39] Yeah, my brother, just for context
[00:05:42] My middle brother Andrew
[00:05:43] He's a mechanical engineer
[00:05:44] Works on Tesla vehicles
[00:05:46] And my oldest brother Thomas
[00:05:49] Is an environmental consultant, I would say
[00:05:52] He's a field biologist
[00:05:53] And so he literally wanders around
[00:05:55] Looking for snakes and tortoises
[00:05:56] Which is what he did growing up
[00:05:58] So, you know, it's funny to see how we all ended up
[00:06:01] But anyway, we were all very into science
[00:06:03] So, you know, to find a show that
[00:06:07] You know, it wasn't a matter of
[00:06:10] You know, one of us liked it
[00:06:11] And we all started watching
[00:06:12] It was just, we all gravitated to it
[00:06:14] Where did this sort of family love of science come from?
[00:06:16] Is this from your parents or?
[00:06:18] That's a really good question
[00:06:19] I don't know
[00:06:19] I mean, my dad was in engineering
[00:06:21] He's still in engineering
[00:06:22] My mom is just kind of a very curious person
[00:06:26] You know, she always talks about how
[00:06:28] Like my oldest brother is super into snakes
[00:06:30] Super into reptiles
[00:06:31] Little young pathologist
[00:06:32] And my mom talked to me about how
[00:06:38] When Thomas first started showing those kind of tendencies
[00:06:40] She was terrified because she hated snakes
[00:06:42] She was like, well, I just have to, you know
[00:06:44] Get used to it
[00:06:45] And kind of grin and bear it
[00:06:47] And learn to love these things
[00:06:48] And so I think, yeah
[00:06:50] She's always had an open mind
[00:06:51] I think that kind of inspired us
[00:06:53] To just keep our minds open
[00:06:55] And get into weird and wacky things in the world
[00:06:58] And I think a lot of that comes from science
[00:07:00] Do you think school and what's on TV is helping
[00:07:03] You develop that curiosity
[00:07:06] And be excited by science?
[00:07:08] Did this show help that?
[00:07:10] Definitely
[00:07:11] Definitely
[00:07:11] Because it just made it feel more accessible
[00:07:13] You know, it's
[00:07:15] Growing up, when you imagine a scientist
[00:07:17] You think of somebody in a lab with a bunch of beakers
[00:07:19] You think of a chemist, really
[00:07:20] This was like a group of five pretty normal people
[00:07:25] Very, well, not normal
[00:07:27] Really quirky
[00:07:27] And fucking weird at times
[00:07:29] But like, in the best way possible
[00:07:31] And it just, the enthusiasm
[00:07:33] They were all such enthusiastic characters
[00:07:35] I mean, whoever casted it really
[00:07:38] Smashed the nail on the head
[00:07:39] Because it, you know
[00:07:41] It's that infectious enthusiasm
[00:07:42] Really just draws you in
[00:07:44] And when you're 8, 9, 10, 12
[00:07:46] Up to, what, I'm 28 now
[00:07:48] And I still am obsessed with it
[00:07:49] I mean, it's
[00:07:50] They just take you along for this weird, wonderful ride
[00:07:55] Well, it looks like we've got a bunch of fire hoses
[00:07:58] Pointed down
[00:07:59] And they're lifting a car off the ground
[00:08:01] That is freaking perfect for us
[00:08:04] It looks pretty convincing
[00:08:05] What do you think?
[00:08:07] No idea
[00:08:07] Here, play it again
[00:08:09] You know, if this is real
[00:08:10] And we can actually pull this off
[00:08:13] It's going to be awesome
[00:08:14] I totally agree
[00:08:16] But man, it could also be deadly
[00:08:18] It could also be a con job
[00:08:21] That car might just be a plastic shell
[00:08:24] But the only way to find out
[00:08:26] Is to try it ourselves
[00:08:28] That means building a platform
[00:08:30] Sweet-talking some firemen
[00:08:32] And buying a full-weight has-been hatchback
[00:08:35] This is what it is to be a Mythbuster
[00:08:37] You see this car behind me
[00:08:38] And you think
[00:08:39] Ah, it's some classified ad piece of crap
[00:08:41] I see a flying water jam car
[00:08:44] We talked about Bango's The Theory
[00:08:46] On this podcast before
[00:08:47] Which is in a similar-ish vein
[00:08:49] Obviously more recent
[00:08:49] But the conclusion we came to
[00:08:51] When we talked about that
[00:08:52] Was that casting is everything
[00:08:53] And you can really see it
[00:08:54] With Mythbusters as well
[00:08:56] That it lives or dies on the casting
[00:08:58] Doesn't it?
[00:08:59] Absolutely
[00:08:59] And there's not many shows
[00:09:01] Where you can get two middle-aged men
[00:09:02] Who otherwise seem quite normal
[00:09:04] And they're really experimenting
[00:09:06] They really try and use
[00:09:08] The scientific method
[00:09:09] To try things out
[00:09:10] And you really see
[00:09:11] They're working out
[00:09:12] On and off screen
[00:09:14] There aren't many shows
[00:09:16] That have managed to
[00:09:17] So successfully do that
[00:09:19] With like two middle-aged men
[00:09:20] And now it's on
[00:09:21] It has been cancelled in 2016
[00:09:23] But you can pretty much
[00:09:24] Find it on a schedule anywhere
[00:09:26] Probably almost anywhere in the world
[00:09:27] As you say, Mariana
[00:09:29] They hit the nail on the head
[00:09:31] Right people
[00:09:31] Right format
[00:09:32] They did it so well
[00:09:34] Yeah and they have
[00:09:35] Even now
[00:09:36] I mean I was watching it
[00:09:37] The other day
[00:09:37] Amazon Prime has a channel
[00:09:38] Like a live TV channel
[00:09:39] That just streams Mythbusters
[00:09:41] 24 hours a day
[00:09:42] Which I discovered
[00:09:43] I think this year in March
[00:09:45] And I haven't stopped watching it
[00:09:46] It's so good
[00:09:47] I love it
[00:09:48] I mean that does suggest to me
[00:09:49] That there is
[00:09:50] There must still be an audience for it
[00:09:52] Which kind of raises the question
[00:09:53] As to why
[00:09:53] It's not been updated
[00:09:54] For the modern era
[00:09:56] Because I really enjoyed
[00:09:57] Rewatching it
[00:09:58] But it did strike me
[00:09:59] As quite
[00:09:59] In a sense of
[00:10:00] Quite of its time
[00:10:01] Because it felt like
[00:10:02] There were a lot of
[00:10:03] Copycat type shows
[00:10:04] Certainly in the UK
[00:10:05] Around about the same time
[00:10:07] So I'm thinking about
[00:10:07] Things like Brainiac
[00:10:08] Which was Sky
[00:10:09] I think
[00:10:10] There was
[00:10:11] Basically the first science series
[00:10:13] I ever worked on
[00:10:13] Was a thing called
[00:10:14] Mad Labs for National Geographic
[00:10:15] Which is still one of the best
[00:10:16] Jobs I've ever done
[00:10:17] It's pretty much
[00:10:18] A carbon copy of Mythbusters
[00:10:20] But without presenters
[00:10:22] It was narration led
[00:10:23] And it felt like
[00:10:24] There was an explosion
[00:10:24] In this sort of
[00:10:25] Popular science
[00:10:26] In the sort of
[00:10:27] Early 2000s
[00:10:28] That we've never sort of
[00:10:29] Quite seen the same of since
[00:10:31] Yeah
[00:10:32] You're right
[00:10:32] We haven't seen the same of
[00:10:33] Which is a shame
[00:10:34] Because it's just brilliant
[00:10:36] It's the epitome
[00:10:37] Of popular science
[00:10:38] It's exciting
[00:10:39] And it's proper science
[00:10:41] And it's so watchable
[00:10:43] And fun
[00:10:44] And silly
[00:10:45] And there's something
[00:10:46] For everyone in there
[00:10:47] It's a real family show
[00:10:48] So it can
[00:10:49] It's been really interesting
[00:10:50] For kids
[00:10:50] But I think as adults
[00:10:51] Watching it as well
[00:10:53] It's super fun
[00:10:55] That's not invisible water
[00:10:57] That's some kind of
[00:10:58] A super dense gas
[00:10:59] There are all sorts
[00:11:00] Of them out there
[00:11:01] We just gotta find out
[00:11:02] Which one
[00:11:03] The prime suspect
[00:11:04] Is sulfur hexafluoride
[00:11:06] It's five times
[00:11:08] Heavier than air
[00:11:09] I promise to show you
[00:11:11] Something really cool
[00:11:11] As long as you promise
[00:11:12] Not to try it at home
[00:11:13] Okay?
[00:11:15] Okay
[00:11:15] Now everyone wants to know
[00:11:16] Why my voice sounds higher
[00:11:18] When I inhale helium
[00:11:19] My simple fact is
[00:11:21] Is that helium
[00:11:21] Is six times less dense
[00:11:22] Than air
[00:11:23] Which means sound waves
[00:11:23] Travel through it much faster
[00:11:25] Which makes my voice
[00:11:26] Sound much higher
[00:11:27] Now
[00:11:27] The same effect
[00:11:28] Can be achieved in reverse
[00:11:29] If I inhale something like
[00:11:33] Sulfur hexafluoride
[00:11:34] Which is six times
[00:11:35] Denser than air
[00:11:36] I inhale some of that
[00:11:37] And my voice gets really low
[00:11:39] Although somehow
[00:11:41] I'm still funny
[00:11:42] It's scientific
[00:11:44] Ha ha ha ha
[00:11:48] It ended in 2016
[00:11:49] There's various things
[00:11:51] You read about
[00:11:51] But actually
[00:11:52] Adam Savage's
[00:11:54] Tested YouTube channel
[00:11:55] He talks about it
[00:11:57] And his YouTube channel
[00:11:58] Is actually really good
[00:11:59] If you haven't checked it out
[00:12:00] And you like the show
[00:12:01] Because he talks a lot
[00:12:02] About what they did
[00:12:03] And how they did it
[00:12:04] So the ratings
[00:12:05] Were starting to go down
[00:12:07] And they wanted to
[00:12:08] End it on their terms
[00:12:09] So I think a few series
[00:12:12] Before they'd taken out
[00:12:13] The three extra presenters
[00:12:15] Yeah
[00:12:15] Potentially due to
[00:12:17] Not wanting to pay
[00:12:19] For their wages
[00:12:20] And they couldn't agree
[00:12:21] On the kind of
[00:12:22] The wage discussions
[00:12:24] So then it was just
[00:12:25] The two lead presenters
[00:12:26] And they kind of
[00:12:28] Maybe didn't get on
[00:12:29] As well as
[00:12:30] They seemed to
[00:12:32] On camera
[00:12:32] Oh that's interesting
[00:12:33] So I think
[00:12:34] There was a whole thing
[00:12:35] About well actually
[00:12:36] Maybe let's end it now
[00:12:37] We've had a really good run
[00:12:38] Let's do it on our own terms
[00:12:40] Rather than being cut
[00:12:41] By the channels
[00:12:42] But I don't know
[00:12:43] How much of that
[00:12:44] Is them
[00:12:45] Trying to take back
[00:12:46] The narrative
[00:12:47] And control the narrative
[00:12:47] Themselves
[00:12:48] Who knows
[00:12:49] I do wonder if
[00:12:51] The
[00:12:52] Whenever I watch the show
[00:12:53] I think of this
[00:12:54] I wonder if the
[00:12:55] Age of insurance
[00:12:56] And risk assessments
[00:12:58] And what not
[00:12:59] Probably affected it
[00:12:59] Because my god
[00:13:01] The stuff they got away
[00:13:02] With on that show
[00:13:03] I mean even the episode
[00:13:04] That we're talking about today
[00:13:05] There's like
[00:13:06] At the end
[00:13:07] They do this
[00:13:08] You know
[00:13:08] Sawdust cannon
[00:13:09] In three
[00:13:10] Two
[00:13:11] One
[00:13:26] I mean it's a cannon
[00:13:27] That shoots like
[00:13:28] A load of sawdust
[00:13:29] Into the sky
[00:13:30] And they put
[00:13:30] A flare in the middle
[00:13:32] And that flare
[00:13:33] Once it's shot off
[00:13:34] Ignites
[00:13:35] You know
[00:13:35] This massive fireball
[00:13:37] And it was all sparked
[00:13:38] By this viral video
[00:13:39] The whole episode's
[00:13:41] Based off like
[00:13:41] Viral videos
[00:13:42] And that's one of them
[00:13:43] They test
[00:13:43] And you know
[00:13:44] So they test it
[00:13:45] They say
[00:13:46] Myth confirmed
[00:13:46] Wow that's amazing
[00:13:47] Now let's supersize it
[00:13:48] Let's ramp it up
[00:13:49] And they go for
[00:13:51] Coffee cream
[00:13:52] Instead of sawdust
[00:13:53] Which is highly
[00:13:54] Flammable
[00:13:54] And they set this thing off
[00:13:57] And the fireball
[00:13:58] That it makes
[00:13:59] Is unfathomable
[00:14:01] They keep saying
[00:14:02] You know
[00:14:02] The governor
[00:14:03] Must be seeing this
[00:14:04] From Sacramento
[00:14:04] This is so big
[00:14:05] And the footage
[00:14:07] That they have
[00:14:08] Of Cary Grant and Toy
[00:14:09] Reacting to it
[00:14:10] Is hilarious
[00:14:11] But also so raw
[00:14:13] Because they're literally
[00:14:14] Watching this thing
[00:14:15] As it gets bigger
[00:14:16] They kind of start
[00:14:16] Backing up
[00:14:17] And they just
[00:14:18] I think Cary
[00:14:19] At one point
[00:14:19] Turns around
[00:14:19] And just sprints
[00:14:20] For the hills
[00:14:20] She tries to run
[00:14:21] It's really interesting
[00:14:22] Seeing how people react
[00:14:23] It's like when you're
[00:14:24] On a roller coaster
[00:14:24] Are you the kind of
[00:14:25] Person that goes
[00:14:26] Yeah
[00:14:26] Or you're the person
[00:14:27] That goes
[00:14:29] I'm the person
[00:14:30] That goes
[00:14:30] And the boys
[00:14:31] Were just like
[00:14:32] Yeah
[00:14:32] It was like
[00:14:34] The perfect example
[00:14:35] Of seeing people's
[00:14:37] Like fight or flight
[00:14:37] Mechanism
[00:14:38] Like in that moment
[00:14:39] You just saw
[00:14:39] Like three personality
[00:14:41] Types
[00:14:41] Just at once
[00:14:44] Terrifying
[00:14:46] Did you get that
[00:14:47] On high speed
[00:14:48] Yeah
[00:14:48] We did remember
[00:14:50] To push the on button
[00:14:51] On the off chance
[00:14:52] That this might be
[00:14:53] One of the biggest
[00:14:54] Fireballs ever
[00:14:57] This was frightening
[00:14:58] I mean seriously
[00:14:59] There was a moment
[00:15:00] Where I'm like
[00:15:02] Oh crap
[00:15:03] This was a bad
[00:15:04] Bad idea
[00:15:04] All I heard in my head
[00:15:05] Was run
[00:15:06] And I started up the hill
[00:15:09] As fast as I could go
[00:15:10] And I'm still
[00:15:11] On a little bit of
[00:15:12] Adrenaline buzz
[00:15:13] Right now
[00:15:13] They talk about it
[00:15:14] Afterwards
[00:15:15] So like this
[00:15:15] We need to destroy this
[00:15:17] Like nobody should
[00:15:18] Have this technology
[00:15:19] I mean looking at that
[00:15:21] Now
[00:15:22] I mean even on the
[00:15:23] Shows that I've worked on
[00:15:24] Like doing something
[00:15:24] As simple as
[00:15:25] You know
[00:15:25] Going
[00:15:26] Well not simple
[00:15:27] But going for a
[00:15:28] Shark cage dive
[00:15:29] With people who have
[00:15:30] Been doing this
[00:15:31] Their whole life
[00:15:31] You know
[00:15:32] Really reputable
[00:15:33] Scientists
[00:15:34] Who are
[00:15:34] Know the animals
[00:15:35] They've done this before
[00:15:36] And they've dived out
[00:15:37] Of the cage with sharks
[00:15:38] Even just trying to get
[00:15:39] Approval to do
[00:15:39] Cage diving itself
[00:15:40] Is so tough
[00:15:42] With insurers
[00:15:43] And it really baffles me
[00:15:44] To try and do
[00:15:45] Something like that
[00:15:46] Set a fireball
[00:15:47] You know
[00:15:48] On TV
[00:15:48] Would just
[00:15:50] Have to have
[00:15:51] So many legal
[00:15:52] Hoops to jump through
[00:15:53] Nowadays
[00:15:53] I mean we've both
[00:15:54] Been doing this
[00:15:55] Longer than you have
[00:15:56] That I'm afraid to say
[00:15:58] That's fair
[00:15:59] Come on
[00:15:59] Yes
[00:16:00] Come on stay with me
[00:16:01] I have got a point
[00:16:02] To make here
[00:16:02] And we've actually
[00:16:03] Also both worked on
[00:16:05] This type of
[00:16:06] Series before
[00:16:07] And I do think
[00:16:09] That you know
[00:16:09] I'm not saying
[00:16:10] On the stuff
[00:16:10] The stuff I did
[00:16:11] That sort of
[00:16:12] Mad Lab series
[00:16:12] Is practically
[00:16:13] 20 years ago
[00:16:14] Now I think
[00:16:14] It was 2005
[00:16:15] You know
[00:16:16] And we did
[00:16:16] Similarly cool stuff
[00:16:18] In my experience
[00:16:19] You know
[00:16:19] I don't think
[00:16:20] We necessarily
[00:16:21] Took unnecessary
[00:16:22] Risks
[00:16:22] But I would say
[00:16:23] That the landscape
[00:16:24] Of risk taking
[00:16:25] And risk assessment
[00:16:27] And insurance
[00:16:27] Has tightened up
[00:16:29] In that time period
[00:16:30] But also
[00:16:31] The production company
[00:16:32] Was an Australian
[00:16:33] Production company
[00:16:34] But they filmed
[00:16:34] In California
[00:16:35] So I don't know
[00:16:37] If that helped
[00:16:37] Or hindered them
[00:16:38] I have to say
[00:16:39] That was one of
[00:16:39] The biggest surprises
[00:16:40] For me
[00:16:40] Because I've always
[00:16:41] Thought of Mythbusters
[00:16:42] As this sort of
[00:16:43] Quintessentially
[00:16:43] American series
[00:16:45] And I didn't know
[00:16:46] It was an
[00:16:47] Essentially
[00:16:48] An Australian
[00:16:48] Production
[00:16:49] That was shot
[00:16:50] And crewed
[00:16:51] And hosted
[00:16:51] Largely in America
[00:16:53] And they do
[00:16:55] Appear on camera
[00:16:56] Very careful
[00:16:57] About things
[00:16:58] They do say
[00:16:59] So many times
[00:17:00] Don't try this at home
[00:17:01] They talk very
[00:17:02] Honestly about
[00:17:03] The precautions
[00:17:04] Involved in things
[00:17:05] So I think
[00:17:07] They approached
[00:17:08] That very well
[00:17:08] Because otherwise
[00:17:09] You could get
[00:17:11] Some really nasty
[00:17:12] Copycats
[00:17:13] And people trying
[00:17:13] To do things
[00:17:14] And then put it
[00:17:15] On YouTube
[00:17:15] And stuff like that
[00:17:16] And when you're
[00:17:17] Aiming for a family
[00:17:18] And kids audience
[00:17:18] You have to be
[00:17:19] Very careful
[00:17:20] But I thought
[00:17:20] They did it
[00:17:21] In a really good way
[00:17:21] There was a lot
[00:17:22] Of trust
[00:17:23] With the audience
[00:17:23] As well
[00:17:24] Because they tested
[00:17:24] So many different
[00:17:25] Myths
[00:17:25] That you know
[00:17:26] There was one
[00:17:26] They did like
[00:17:27] Paper crossbow
[00:17:28] Which you know
[00:17:28] A prisoner had
[00:17:30] Fashioned a crossbow
[00:17:32] Out of newspaper
[00:17:33] And the tip
[00:17:34] I think
[00:17:34] Was made out of
[00:17:35] You know
[00:17:36] One of those
[00:17:36] Like plastic lunch trays
[00:17:37] I mean
[00:17:38] It was basically
[00:17:39] All materials
[00:17:39] That you would have
[00:17:40] As a prisoner
[00:17:40] And managed to
[00:17:41] Shoot and kill
[00:17:42] A guard
[00:17:43] From across the hall
[00:17:44] I don't know
[00:17:45] What the distance was
[00:17:45] But it was something mental
[00:17:46] And they tested that
[00:17:47] And I think
[00:17:48] One of the iterations
[00:17:49] That they made
[00:17:50] Did end up
[00:17:51] Putting like
[00:17:52] A dart
[00:17:52] About an inch
[00:17:53] Into
[00:17:54] Kind of the dummy's
[00:17:55] Neck that they made
[00:17:56] The kind of
[00:17:56] Ballistic style dummy
[00:17:58] And they were like
[00:17:58] Oh my god
[00:18:02] They're not explicitly
[00:18:04] Showing every single
[00:18:05] Step of making it
[00:18:06] But you could kind of
[00:18:07] Piece it together
[00:18:08] If you had
[00:18:09] You know
[00:18:09] An engineering
[00:18:10] Type mind
[00:18:11] And I just
[00:18:12] Watch back
[00:18:13] Some of those episodes
[00:18:13] And think
[00:18:14] God what
[00:18:15] Would it be different
[00:18:16] Today if somebody
[00:18:17] Saw it
[00:18:17] You know
[00:18:18] Would there be
[00:18:18] More copycats
[00:18:19] But you don't
[00:18:19] Really hear anything
[00:18:20] In the news
[00:18:21] Or
[00:18:22] I don't know
[00:18:23] If that's just
[00:18:23] The trust they put
[00:18:24] In the audience
[00:18:24] I think they've got
[00:18:25] Like kind of
[00:18:25] Two audiences
[00:18:27] In a way
[00:18:27] The people who
[00:18:28] Watched it
[00:18:29] And loved it
[00:18:30] And then they've
[00:18:30] Got the real fans
[00:18:31] They
[00:18:32] I think they were
[00:18:32] One of the early shows
[00:18:33] Who really went online
[00:18:35] With their presence
[00:18:36] And really engaged
[00:18:37] The audience
[00:18:38] And asked them
[00:18:39] What they wanted to see
[00:18:40] Which is really clever
[00:18:41] Right
[00:18:41] Getting them to
[00:18:42] Send in the myths
[00:18:43] Because by that
[00:18:44] Many episodes in
[00:18:45] And how many
[00:18:46] It was something like
[00:18:47] Two and a half thousand
[00:18:49] Experiments or something
[00:18:50] They did
[00:18:50] You kind of need help
[00:18:52] Finding new experiments
[00:18:53] To try
[00:18:53] It is worth reading
[00:18:55] The Wikipedia entry
[00:18:56] For kind of some of the
[00:18:57] Accidents and incidents
[00:18:58] They have
[00:18:59] Some of them are
[00:19:00] Sort of scraping
[00:19:01] Quite close to the line of
[00:19:02] This is a production
[00:19:03] That may well get shut down
[00:19:05] I think the most notable
[00:19:06] Of which is a cannonball
[00:19:07] That ended up
[00:19:08] Leaving the range
[00:19:09] At which they were
[00:19:10] Operating it entirely
[00:19:11] And embedding itself
[00:19:12] In someone's house
[00:19:14] Ouch
[00:19:14] So they
[00:19:15] It flew close to the wind
[00:19:17] Yeah
[00:19:17] But I mean maybe
[00:19:18] For two and a half thousand
[00:19:19] Experiments
[00:19:19] That's not
[00:19:20] That's not too bad
[00:19:21] Is it
[00:19:21] No I suppose not
[00:19:23] God
[00:19:24] It's just
[00:19:24] It's a miracle
[00:19:25] That more
[00:19:26] They wouldn't be able
[00:19:26] To get away with that today
[00:19:28] Definitely not
[00:19:29] You know I watch these shows
[00:19:30] Being like
[00:19:30] Gosh I'm so
[00:19:32] Kind of jealous
[00:19:33] Not that you know
[00:19:34] I don't want anybody
[00:19:35] To get hurt obviously
[00:19:35] But there is a sense of
[00:19:37] You know kind of
[00:19:38] Cowboy science going on
[00:19:39] There's a sense of
[00:19:40] You know there was a bit
[00:19:41] Of reckless abandon in it
[00:19:42] That you know
[00:19:43] That chaos that
[00:19:44] You just don't get
[00:19:46] Now on TV
[00:19:46] And I think that's what
[00:19:47] Made the show feel
[00:19:48] So authentic
[00:19:49] Because it was like
[00:19:50] We have no idea
[00:19:51] What's going to happen
[00:19:52] And sometimes things
[00:19:53] Did go a bit hectic
[00:19:55] I don't know
[00:19:55] I do wish that I had
[00:19:56] Been working on that show
[00:19:58] I think it would have
[00:19:59] Been such good fun
[00:20:02] So Carrie and Tori
[00:20:03] Hit the road
[00:20:04] To confirm
[00:20:05] Or confound
[00:20:06] This possible fraud
[00:20:08] Once and for all
[00:20:10] Alright we're at
[00:20:10] Renegade Ranch
[00:20:11] To see these
[00:20:12] Fainting goats
[00:20:12] I mean I haven't seen
[00:20:13] One fall over yet
[00:20:14] So I'm just kind of
[00:20:15] Excited to get in there
[00:20:16] And try to freak them out
[00:20:17] And see if we can
[00:20:17] Get them to fall over
[00:20:18] I know that seems
[00:20:19] Kind of cruel
[00:20:20] But you know
[00:20:21] Science can be cruel
[00:20:22] Sometimes
[00:20:22] I have seen this
[00:20:24] Internet clip so many
[00:20:25] Times because it
[00:20:26] Cracks me up
[00:20:27] Do goats actually
[00:20:28] Faint?
[00:20:29] Well they do
[00:20:30] And they don't
[00:20:31] They appear to faint
[00:20:33] But they don't
[00:20:34] Actually lose consciousness
[00:20:35] When they fall on the
[00:20:36] Ground
[00:20:36] It's a muscle condition
[00:20:38] Called myotonia
[00:20:39] That affects their
[00:20:40] Leg muscles
[00:20:41] So when they get scared
[00:20:42] Sometimes even excited
[00:20:43] Their muscles are
[00:20:44] Tighten up in their
[00:20:45] Legs and sometimes
[00:20:46] They'll actually fall over
[00:20:48] Alright Tori
[00:20:49] Your first step
[00:20:50] What do you want to do?
[00:20:50] I think for my first one
[00:20:52] I'm just going to see
[00:20:52] If I can get one of
[00:20:53] These goats to faint
[00:20:54] With no tricks
[00:20:55] I mean I haven't seen
[00:20:56] One of these fainted yet
[00:21:00] It's a shameful start
[00:21:02] The first one to faint
[00:21:03] Is one of us
[00:21:04] One thing that we
[00:21:06] Have talked about
[00:21:07] Before on the podcast
[00:21:08] Particularly in relation
[00:21:09] To shows like this
[00:21:10] That have inspired people
[00:21:12] At this sort of
[00:21:13] Particular time of their life
[00:21:14] You know early teens
[00:21:15] The idea that
[00:21:16] They present science
[00:21:18] In a way which is
[00:21:18] Much more engaging
[00:21:19] Than we got in the classroom
[00:21:22] And I'm just quite
[00:21:22] Interested to know
[00:21:23] What did a scientific
[00:21:25] Education look like
[00:21:26] In an American classroom
[00:21:28] At that sort of age?
[00:21:30] I was always very
[00:21:31] Science minded anyway
[00:21:32] So I sought out
[00:21:33] All the kind of
[00:21:34] Science classes
[00:21:34] That I could take
[00:21:35] So once I got to
[00:21:36] High school
[00:21:36] You can kind of
[00:21:38] I don't know if it's
[00:21:38] The same here
[00:21:39] But you can kind of
[00:21:39] Choose your classes
[00:21:41] That you want to take
[00:21:42] So you know
[00:21:43] There are some core ones
[00:21:44] You have to take
[00:21:44] Like you have to take
[00:21:45] An English class
[00:21:46] You have to take
[00:21:46] A history class
[00:21:47] And you have to do
[00:21:48] A certain number
[00:21:49] Of science classes
[00:21:50] By the time you graduate
[00:21:51] But I kind of
[00:21:52] Loaded up on all
[00:21:53] The science ones
[00:21:54] And my school was
[00:21:55] Really good
[00:21:55] Because they had
[00:21:57] Some kind of extra ones
[00:21:58] That other schools
[00:21:59] Might not have
[00:21:59] Like there was
[00:22:00] Vet science
[00:22:01] I took that
[00:22:01] And absolutely loved it
[00:22:02] We had physiology
[00:22:03] We had sports science
[00:22:05] That's amazing
[00:22:06] So how did you hear
[00:22:08] About the UK
[00:22:10] Imperial science comms course
[00:22:12] And why did you think
[00:22:13] Yeah sure I can go
[00:22:14] To the UK
[00:22:15] And study this
[00:22:16] Yeah
[00:22:16] It's kind of
[00:22:17] A two part question
[00:22:18] To be honest
[00:22:19] Because I think
[00:22:21] First of all
[00:22:22] Travelling was just
[00:22:22] Never something
[00:22:23] That fazed me
[00:22:24] I think having
[00:22:25] Two parents
[00:22:25] That are from
[00:22:26] Outside of the US
[00:22:27] I mean my dad
[00:22:28] Is from South Africa
[00:22:29] My mum is from Portugal
[00:22:30] They both left
[00:22:31] You know their
[00:22:32] Respective countries
[00:22:33] Really young
[00:22:33] My dad built a boat
[00:22:35] And sailed it
[00:22:36] Basically to the US
[00:22:37] From South Africa
[00:22:38] It's a very long
[00:22:39] Convoluted story
[00:22:40] But so they're
[00:22:41] There always has been
[00:22:42] That sense of
[00:22:43] You know wanting
[00:22:44] To go places
[00:22:44] Live in new places
[00:22:46] We were always
[00:22:46] Really inspired
[00:22:47] By our parents
[00:22:48] To go out
[00:22:48] And explore the world
[00:22:49] So that didn't
[00:22:50] Faze me as much
[00:22:51] I was really
[00:22:53] Really academic
[00:22:54] Especially in
[00:22:55] University
[00:22:56] And I had
[00:22:57] Actually applied
[00:22:58] For a scholarship
[00:22:59] To fund some research
[00:23:01] That I was doing
[00:23:01] Essentially through
[00:23:02] You know winning
[00:23:03] This kind of
[00:23:04] Scholarship
[00:23:05] For my research
[00:23:06] It put me
[00:23:06] In a good position
[00:23:07] To apply for things
[00:23:08] Like road scholarships
[00:23:09] Marshall scholarships
[00:23:10] These kind of
[00:23:11] Big international fellowships
[00:23:13] That would have you
[00:23:13] Studying in other countries
[00:23:15] Like Fulbright
[00:23:15] I think was the other
[00:23:16] One I applied for
[00:23:16] And as part of that
[00:23:18] Had you look at
[00:23:19] You know doing
[00:23:20] A master's while
[00:23:21] You're abroad
[00:23:22] And then coupling
[00:23:23] It with research
[00:23:23] So I was kind of
[00:23:25] Looking at different
[00:23:26] Master's programs
[00:23:27] Around the world
[00:23:28] And working with
[00:23:29] The fellowships office
[00:23:30] At Elon
[00:23:30] Which are just
[00:23:31] A bunch of
[00:23:32] Really really
[00:23:32] Supportive people
[00:23:33] They're like
[00:23:33] Why don't you
[00:23:34] Look in England
[00:23:34] I was like
[00:23:35] Oh England's
[00:23:36] A bit boring
[00:23:36] Like they all
[00:23:37] Speak English
[00:23:38] Hang on
[00:23:39] Right let's just
[00:23:40] Stop there
[00:23:41] That's it
[00:23:42] Press stop
[00:23:43] As in I was like
[00:23:44] Oh you know
[00:23:45] Everybody speaks
[00:23:45] English already
[00:23:46] Like you know
[00:23:46] Maybe that's too easy
[00:23:47] Maybe I need to
[00:23:48] Try something different
[00:23:48] But I ended up
[00:23:51] Finding the science
[00:23:51] Communication course
[00:23:52] And I always loved
[00:23:53] Science television
[00:23:55] And I always wanted
[00:23:56] To get involved in it
[00:23:57] But and I knew
[00:23:58] My future career
[00:23:59] Was going to be in science
[00:24:00] But I kind of
[00:24:00] Had ruled out TV
[00:24:01] Because I was like
[00:24:02] How do you get into it
[00:24:03] You have to know someone
[00:24:04] I don't have the skill set
[00:24:05] For that
[00:24:06] I'll just go do a PhD
[00:24:07] Which is never a thought
[00:24:08] You should have
[00:24:09] Going into a PhD
[00:24:10] Mind you
[00:24:10] If you want to do a PhD
[00:24:12] Really want to do it
[00:24:13] Don't be like me
[00:24:14] But um
[00:24:16] Fortunately
[00:24:16] Before I went too far
[00:24:17] Down that road
[00:24:18] I found this
[00:24:18] Master's course
[00:24:19] I was like
[00:24:19] Well maybe this
[00:24:21] It's a good way
[00:24:21] Of going and living abroad
[00:24:22] Somewhere for a year
[00:24:23] And it's a good way
[00:24:24] Of you know
[00:24:26] Seeing if I can
[00:24:27] Give this a proper go
[00:24:30] So I applied
[00:24:31] I got in
[00:24:32] Didn't get any
[00:24:33] Of the scholarships
[00:24:33] That I applied for
[00:24:35] But I was like
[00:24:36] Well I got accepted
[00:24:37] As a program
[00:24:37] So I might as well
[00:24:38] Go now
[00:24:40] And went
[00:24:40] And loved it
[00:24:41] So at that point
[00:24:43] Have you visited
[00:24:43] The UK before
[00:24:44] Or
[00:24:44] I mean we got to
[00:24:45] Travel quite a bit
[00:24:46] Growing up
[00:24:47] Especially because
[00:24:47] We would go to
[00:24:48] Portugal every summer
[00:24:49] To see my mum's
[00:24:49] Side of the family
[00:24:50] Oftentimes we'd
[00:24:51] Tack on kind of
[00:24:52] Side trips
[00:24:52] And one summer
[00:24:53] We came to London
[00:24:54] And absolutely loved it
[00:24:55] But I think moving
[00:24:57] To the UK
[00:24:58] You know
[00:24:59] I was like
[00:25:01] But there's actually
[00:25:02] A lot more cultural
[00:25:03] Differences than I realised
[00:25:04] And yeah
[00:25:06] It's funny
[00:25:06] Even now
[00:25:07] What four years in
[00:25:08] I still find day to day
[00:25:10] Every now and again
[00:25:11] Something surprises me
[00:25:11] So what are us Brits
[00:25:13] Like then
[00:25:13] What is it like
[00:25:14] Being here
[00:25:14] And working here
[00:25:15] What was most surprising
[00:25:17] Oh gosh
[00:25:19] A lot of things
[00:25:20] But the thing that
[00:25:21] Comes to mind
[00:25:21] Is you know
[00:25:22] I think Americans
[00:25:23] Have kind of a tendency
[00:25:25] To overshare
[00:25:26] Or just kind of
[00:25:27] You know
[00:25:27] If somebody asks you
[00:25:28] Oh yeah
[00:25:29] How are you doing
[00:25:29] In America
[00:25:30] People will be like
[00:25:31] They'll tell you
[00:25:32] They'll be like
[00:25:32] Oh my day's
[00:25:33] Pretty rough today
[00:25:34] Or oh my day's amazing
[00:25:35] I went to the gym
[00:25:35] And I did
[00:25:36] You know
[00:25:37] People just
[00:25:38] Go off at you
[00:25:39] And just chat
[00:25:40] For days
[00:25:40] Whereas in the UK
[00:25:42] You'll come into the office
[00:25:42] You'll be like
[00:25:43] Oh how was your weekend
[00:25:43] People will be like
[00:25:44] You're fine
[00:25:45] Yeah that's because
[00:25:46] We work in London
[00:25:47] So you came for the Masters
[00:25:48] You've stayed
[00:25:50] And we've recently
[00:25:51] Worked together
[00:25:51] We've all worked together
[00:25:53] Why did you stay?
[00:25:54] Not for the weather
[00:25:56] Definitely not for the weather
[00:25:57] I struggle with that so much
[00:25:59] It's the one thing
[00:26:00] I would change
[00:26:00] But no
[00:26:01] I stayed because
[00:26:02] I just
[00:26:02] I really really liked it
[00:26:04] And I mean
[00:26:04] There's the obvious answer
[00:26:06] Of a lot of TV workers here
[00:26:07] And it's very centralized
[00:26:08] And you know
[00:26:09] It is cool to be
[00:26:10] In that atmosphere
[00:26:11] Where you know
[00:26:12] Being in Oxford Circus
[00:26:13] For example
[00:26:13] There are TV companies everywhere
[00:26:14] And you bump into people
[00:26:16] You've worked with
[00:26:16] And you know
[00:26:17] It's quite exciting
[00:26:18] But sense of humor
[00:26:19] Is very different here
[00:26:21] Than compared to the US
[00:26:22] And I find
[00:26:23] Growing up
[00:26:24] I mean
[00:26:24] Obviously my dad
[00:26:25] Had a very South African
[00:26:26] Sense of humor
[00:26:27] And you know
[00:26:27] Four year old Mariana
[00:26:28] Would go to her
[00:26:29] Elementary school
[00:26:30] And tell a really
[00:26:31] Kind of problematic joke
[00:26:33] Or kind of offensive
[00:26:35] And I'd get sent home
[00:26:36] And my parents
[00:26:37] Would have to
[00:26:37] You know
[00:26:38] Talk to the teachers
[00:26:38] And my dad
[00:26:40] Would have to be like
[00:26:40] You can't repeat
[00:26:41] What you're saying
[00:26:41] At home and at school
[00:26:43] Anyway
[00:26:43] Whereas here
[00:26:44] You know
[00:26:44] For the most part
[00:26:45] I find it's more
[00:26:46] Of a vehicle
[00:26:46] To have conversations here
[00:26:49] And humor becomes
[00:26:50] The thing
[00:26:51] To talk about things
[00:26:52] That are uncomfortable
[00:26:52] You know
[00:26:53] To talk about race
[00:26:54] To talk about sexuality
[00:26:54] To talk about
[00:26:55] All these things
[00:26:56] That are really
[00:26:57] Hard to touch in general
[00:26:58] You know
[00:26:59] It kind of levels
[00:27:00] The playing field a bit
[00:27:01] And there's a bit
[00:27:02] More of a freedom in that
[00:27:04] So far on the podcast
[00:27:05] We've generally
[00:27:05] Interviewed people
[00:27:06] Kind of director level
[00:27:08] And up
[00:27:08] So it's really wonderful
[00:27:09] To have you here
[00:27:10] And I want to take
[00:27:11] That opportunity
[00:27:12] To ask you
[00:27:13] As an assistant producer
[00:27:15] And kind of
[00:27:16] Heading into producer
[00:27:17] Like how have you found
[00:27:18] Over the last four years
[00:27:20] Navigating your career here
[00:27:22] At quite a tricky
[00:27:24] Spiky time
[00:27:25] It's interesting
[00:27:25] I've had kind of
[00:27:26] Two sticky spiky times
[00:27:27] Because my career
[00:27:28] Basically started
[00:27:29] During COVID
[00:27:30] So halfway through
[00:27:31] My course at Imperial
[00:27:33] COVID hit
[00:27:34] And I packed a bag
[00:27:35] Thought I'd be gone
[00:27:36] For three weeks
[00:27:37] And was at home
[00:27:38] For a full year
[00:27:38] And had to
[00:27:39] Finish my course remotely
[00:27:41] And the Imperial course
[00:27:42] Is amazing
[00:27:43] Because it's a super
[00:27:43] Hands-on course
[00:27:44] And I missed out
[00:27:46] On a lot of that
[00:27:46] Which was
[00:27:47] You know
[00:27:47] Really sad
[00:27:48] And I kind of
[00:27:49] Have a chip on my shoulder
[00:27:50] About it
[00:27:50] Because you know
[00:27:51] I've definitely
[00:27:52] Operated a camera before
[00:27:53] I could you know
[00:27:54] Definitely do it
[00:27:55] But when people ask
[00:27:56] Do you shoot
[00:27:56] I say no
[00:27:57] Because I feel like
[00:27:59] I don't have
[00:27:59] I didn't have
[00:28:00] The formal training
[00:28:01] I don't know
[00:28:02] None of us have had
[00:28:03] The formal training
[00:28:03] I just want to be clear
[00:28:04] I didn't have any training
[00:28:06] You just do it
[00:28:08] Anyway carry on
[00:28:09] I'd just like to interject
[00:28:09] And say
[00:28:10] On the recent shoot
[00:28:10] We just did in South Africa
[00:28:12] Mariana did some fantastic
[00:28:13] Underwater filming
[00:28:16] Operating the camera
[00:28:16] In the Indian Ocean
[00:28:18] Yeah it was amazing
[00:28:19] So don't put yourself down
[00:28:20] Yeah
[00:28:20] Don't put yourself down
[00:28:20] I have to thank you
[00:28:21] For that honestly Alex
[00:28:22] Because I feel like
[00:28:23] That felt like
[00:28:23] Quite a pivotal moment
[00:28:24] It just meant
[00:28:25] I didn't have to do it
[00:28:25] Which was perfect
[00:28:27] But you literally were like
[00:28:28] Oh we're not doing anything else
[00:28:29] Jump in the water
[00:28:30] Take a camera
[00:28:31] I feel like
[00:28:32] That was tangential
[00:28:33] To your question though
[00:28:34] I think
[00:28:34] Yeah the
[00:28:35] That is this podcast
[00:28:36] This podcast is all about tangents
[00:28:38] It is a series of tangents
[00:28:39] It's more like
[00:28:40] Who tangented the tortoise
[00:28:41] Who tangented the tortoise
[00:28:49] You know
[00:28:49] It's honestly been
[00:28:51] Quite a pleasant experience
[00:28:52] I think
[00:28:53] Because I got set up
[00:28:54] So well in the beginning
[00:28:55] Just knowing
[00:28:56] The right people
[00:28:58] Who
[00:28:59] Kind of look at you
[00:29:00] And see potential
[00:29:01] And want to foster that
[00:29:03] And are very pro
[00:29:04] Like pushing people
[00:29:05] Forward in the industry
[00:29:07] I think
[00:29:07] My first job I had
[00:29:09] Was in COVID
[00:29:09] With a director
[00:29:11] Called Brian Leckie
[00:29:12] Who was amazing
[00:29:13] And he
[00:29:13] He actually worked on Mythbusters
[00:29:14] So he
[00:29:15] I kind of idolized him
[00:29:16] From the beginning
[00:29:16] I was like
[00:29:17] Wow that's amazing
[00:29:18] And he
[00:29:19] Kind of got me
[00:29:20] You know
[00:29:21] As location
[00:29:22] Assisting
[00:29:22] Just like running
[00:29:23] Getting coffees
[00:29:24] And then
[00:29:24] A couple months later
[00:29:25] He asked me to go
[00:29:26] On a two month
[00:29:27] Shoot with him
[00:29:28] And just travel around
[00:29:29] The US
[00:29:30] And it just
[00:29:31] You know
[00:29:32] I was like
[00:29:32] I don't know
[00:29:32] If I'm ready for that
[00:29:33] But yeah
[00:29:33] Let's do it
[00:29:34] And you
[00:29:35] It's kind of like
[00:29:36] What you're saying
[00:29:36] It's exactly that
[00:29:37] TV is so much about
[00:29:38] You know
[00:29:39] Going for it
[00:29:40] When the opportunity
[00:29:41] Is there
[00:29:41] And feeling a bit
[00:29:42] Uncomfortable
[00:29:42] But you know
[00:29:43] You get through it
[00:29:44] And you learn
[00:29:45] And move on
[00:29:46] And going forward
[00:29:47] From that
[00:29:48] He just kind of
[00:29:49] Passed me along
[00:29:50] To different people
[00:29:50] Along the way
[00:29:51] Who passed me
[00:29:52] To someone else
[00:29:52] Who you know
[00:29:53] Is all
[00:29:55] People who
[00:29:55] You know
[00:29:56] Didn't really know me
[00:29:57] That well
[00:29:58] But because I had
[00:29:59] That good recommendation
[00:30:01] Just kind of gave me
[00:30:02] A chance
[00:30:02] It's been four years
[00:30:04] Without a lot of struggles
[00:30:05] Up until this year
[00:30:06] I mean it's
[00:30:07] You know
[00:30:07] We've talked about it
[00:30:08] Or you've talked about it
[00:30:09] On this podcast
[00:30:10] Quite a bit
[00:30:10] Where it's been a tough year
[00:30:12] A lot of people
[00:30:13] Haven't had work for ages
[00:30:14] I had a gap of
[00:30:16] Three and a half months
[00:30:17] In the beginning
[00:30:18] Where I didn't have work
[00:30:18] And I'm kind of
[00:30:19] Stuck in another gap now
[00:30:21] And it's just kind of
[00:30:22] Leaning on those people
[00:30:23] That you've met
[00:30:24] For support
[00:30:26] The jobs that I have
[00:30:27] Gotten during this time
[00:30:27] Is again
[00:30:28] From those
[00:30:29] Really really lovely people
[00:30:31] And coming back
[00:30:31] To companies like
[00:30:32] You know
[00:30:33] We've all worked together
[00:30:33] At Tailsmith
[00:30:34] And they've been so great
[00:30:36] And you know
[00:30:37] They were the ones
[00:30:37] Who kind of
[00:30:38] Took me in
[00:30:39] And you know
[00:30:40] Gave me a job
[00:30:40] During this time
[00:30:41] And so
[00:30:42] Yeah
[00:30:42] It's
[00:30:43] It's been mixed
[00:30:44] But I think for the most part
[00:30:45] It's been
[00:30:46] Really really lovely
[00:30:47] Just because of the people
[00:30:49] I've met
[00:30:49] Purely
[00:30:50] For people who are
[00:30:51] Kind of coming into the industry
[00:30:52] Or trying to understand
[00:30:52] How it works
[00:30:53] Tell us a little bit about
[00:30:54] You know
[00:30:55] Learning storytelling
[00:30:56] Learning camera skills
[00:30:57] How do you do it
[00:30:58] When do you do it
[00:30:59] Have you found it easy
[00:31:00] Or difficult
[00:31:01] Yeah
[00:31:02] I think
[00:31:05] You honestly just learn
[00:31:06] A lot of it on the job
[00:31:07] And that was something
[00:31:08] A concept that
[00:31:09] Coming from a very
[00:31:10] Science-y background
[00:31:11] Where you know
[00:31:11] You do this step
[00:31:13] This step
[00:31:13] This step
[00:31:13] You know
[00:31:14] You take this course
[00:31:15] To learn these skills
[00:31:16] You take this course
[00:31:17] To learn these skills
[00:31:18] Once I got into TV
[00:31:19] It just became very ambiguous
[00:31:21] And I was very lost
[00:31:23] And honestly
[00:31:23] It's also
[00:31:24] I would say
[00:31:25] Ask so many questions
[00:31:27] Even if you're
[00:31:28] Going to be annoying
[00:31:28] I mean I know
[00:31:29] I've probably
[00:31:30] Asked questions
[00:31:30] At the wrong time
[00:31:31] And people get
[00:31:31] Quite annoyed
[00:31:32] But they usually
[00:31:33] Will say
[00:31:33] You know
[00:31:34] Ask me at a later time
[00:31:35] And people are
[00:31:36] So willing to help
[00:31:37] You know
[00:31:38] You'd be surprised
[00:31:39] You know
[00:31:39] I've met
[00:31:40] People on set
[00:31:41] That I thought
[00:31:41] Were kind of
[00:31:43] Standoffish
[00:31:43] And once you sit down
[00:31:44] And ask them a question
[00:31:45] They're actually
[00:31:46] So willing to help you
[00:31:47] And just because
[00:31:48] They might seem intimidating
[00:31:49] Just because they want
[00:31:50] To get the job done
[00:31:50] Doesn't mean they don't
[00:31:51] Want to be there
[00:31:52] To help you
[00:31:53] So ask questions
[00:31:54] Of everyone
[00:31:54] There are companies
[00:31:55] Out there
[00:31:55] Who are less good
[00:31:58] To work for than others
[00:31:59] And I just wondered
[00:31:59] How you have
[00:32:00] Or what advice
[00:32:02] You would give
[00:32:02] To someone who is
[00:32:03] Sort of coming up
[00:32:04] From underneath
[00:32:05] Where you are
[00:32:06] How do you go about
[00:32:08] Choosing the right job
[00:32:09] And kind of working out
[00:32:12] Who are the good people
[00:32:13] To work for
[00:32:13] And who might not be
[00:32:15] And whether a job
[00:32:16] Is going to be
[00:32:16] A pleasant one
[00:32:17] Or an unpleasant one
[00:32:18] Oh that is such
[00:32:19] An important question
[00:32:20] Especially because
[00:32:21] I find myself
[00:32:21] Quite susceptible
[00:32:22] To those kinds of things
[00:32:23] I feel like I'm still
[00:32:24] A very wide-eyed
[00:32:24] Naive person
[00:32:26] Because I want to
[00:32:26] Believe the best in people
[00:32:28] But it's true
[00:32:29] You know
[00:32:29] Working in this industry
[00:32:30] You have to be
[00:32:31] Very careful
[00:32:32] Because people
[00:32:32] Will take advantage
[00:32:33] Of that
[00:32:34] People are constantly
[00:32:35] Trying to make TV
[00:32:36] For less and less money
[00:32:37] And if they can get
[00:32:39] Loads out of you
[00:32:39] Without compensating you
[00:32:40] Probably they will
[00:32:41] Not every company
[00:32:42] But there are people
[00:32:43] Out there
[00:32:44] So honestly
[00:32:46] Rely
[00:32:46] Like talk
[00:32:48] Talk to people
[00:32:48] Talk to people
[00:32:49] About your rates
[00:32:50] Talk to people
[00:32:51] About their experiences
[00:32:51] At companies
[00:32:52] You know
[00:32:53] Some people are just
[00:32:54] Uncomfortable about
[00:32:55] Asking questions
[00:32:56] About that kind of stuff
[00:32:56] Because they don't
[00:32:57] Want to come off
[00:32:57] As asking too many questions
[00:32:59] Or come off as
[00:33:00] Starting drama
[00:33:01] Or something
[00:33:02] Or being difficult
[00:33:02] But like
[00:33:03] Knowledge really is power
[00:33:04] So anybody
[00:33:06] You've worked with
[00:33:06] Before just
[00:33:07] Suss out
[00:33:08] You know
[00:33:08] Oh have you been
[00:33:09] In this company
[00:33:10] What do you think
[00:33:10] What's the exec like
[00:33:11] You know
[00:33:11] What was your experience like
[00:33:13] How did they negotiate
[00:33:14] Your rates
[00:33:15] Oh my gosh
[00:33:16] Honestly
[00:33:17] Like the amount
[00:33:18] Of times that
[00:33:19] You speak to
[00:33:20] Different people
[00:33:20] Who have been
[00:33:21] You know
[00:33:22] Kind of done over
[00:33:23] On their rates
[00:33:23] Because their goodwill
[00:33:25] Has been taken advantage of
[00:33:26] You've just got to
[00:33:27] Talk to people
[00:33:28] And learn what
[00:33:29] A fair rate is
[00:33:30] You know
[00:33:30] And don't be scared
[00:33:31] To walk away from a job
[00:33:33] Because if they really
[00:33:34] Need you
[00:33:34] They'll you know
[00:33:35] They'll make it work
[00:33:36] I think sadly
[00:33:37] That on the rate point
[00:33:39] I think that happens
[00:33:39] At every level
[00:33:40] At every level
[00:33:41] I was going to say
[00:33:41] Yeah
[00:33:41] It's happened to me
[00:33:42] In the last few years
[00:33:43] It has happened to
[00:33:45] You know
[00:33:45] Very senior DOPs
[00:33:47] That I know
[00:33:47] Even this year
[00:33:49] But yeah
[00:33:49] Especially this year
[00:33:50] I feel like
[00:33:51] I got taken for a ride
[00:33:52] This year
[00:33:52] Always know your worth
[00:33:53] Absolutely
[00:33:54] You know
[00:33:54] And I think
[00:33:55] Don't let people
[00:33:57] Trick you
[00:33:58] Or convince you
[00:33:59] That we are
[00:34:01] So very very lucky
[00:34:02] To work in this
[00:34:03] Wonderfully privileged industry
[00:34:04] I hate that
[00:34:06] And you're so lucky
[00:34:07] To work for us
[00:34:08] On this show
[00:34:10] Yeah
[00:34:10] It's like
[00:34:11] People would be dying
[00:34:12] To be in your position
[00:34:13] Exactly
[00:34:13] It's the ultimate gaslighting
[00:34:15] What is this
[00:34:16] Like
[00:34:16] Oh god it winds me up so much
[00:34:18] It really does
[00:34:19] Because I was the person
[00:34:20] Going into this career
[00:34:21] Who was like
[00:34:22] You're so right
[00:34:22] I would never have done
[00:34:24] This otherwise
[00:34:24] Oh you know
[00:34:26] We've all been
[00:34:26] We've all been
[00:34:27] Absolutely
[00:34:27] Absolutely
[00:34:29] You've just really
[00:34:30] Got to have your
[00:34:30] What's about you
[00:34:31] And you know
[00:34:31] Don't feel ashamed
[00:34:32] If it does happen
[00:34:33] Because you know
[00:34:34] You learn from it
[00:34:35] And life goes on
[00:34:36] You feel really silly
[00:34:37] But you know
[00:34:38] It happens
[00:34:39] That's the thing
[00:34:41] Daylight's fading
[00:34:42] And this next test
[00:34:43] Is pretty much
[00:34:45] Make or break
[00:34:46] This one's gonna work
[00:34:50] I hope
[00:34:50] Up on six
[00:34:53] With six engines
[00:34:55] Six hoses
[00:34:56] Come on ladies
[00:34:58] Up up up
[00:34:59] And no motor
[00:35:01] The car finally takes flight
[00:35:03] And isn't this a thing of beauty
[00:35:16] Fifteen feet high
[00:35:18] For a full 45 seconds
[00:35:20] Rocking cars start up
[00:35:34] A little rough
[00:35:35] But once they're airborne
[00:35:36] They're beautiful
[00:35:38] Just to bring it back
[00:35:39] To the program briefly
[00:35:40] Watching it back now
[00:35:44] Kind of knowing
[00:35:45] What you know
[00:35:46] Did you watch it
[00:35:48] And think about
[00:35:49] The structure
[00:35:50] Of the program
[00:35:51] How they
[00:35:53] Explained the science
[00:35:54] Yeah
[00:35:55] The way they used
[00:35:57] Different kinds of
[00:35:58] Shots
[00:35:59] And different kind of
[00:36:00] Storytelling techniques
[00:36:01] To get you through
[00:36:02] Any of the
[00:36:02] What might be
[00:36:03] Slower bits of science
[00:36:04] To get to the explosions
[00:36:05] Did you think about
[00:36:07] Any of that
[00:36:07] When you were watching it
[00:36:08] Or were you just like
[00:36:09] This is so cool
[00:36:10] I just love it
[00:36:11] Yeah
[00:36:12] Since working in TV
[00:36:13] I can't watch
[00:36:14] Any kind of TV now
[00:36:16] Without picking it apart
[00:36:17] And like
[00:36:18] You know
[00:36:19] Trying to imagine
[00:36:20] What it was like
[00:36:21] Making it
[00:36:21] And especially with this show
[00:36:23] If anything
[00:36:24] It's just grown
[00:36:25] My admiration
[00:36:26] For the show
[00:36:26] They have such a tight
[00:36:27] You know
[00:36:28] From the sounds
[00:36:29] They use
[00:36:30] The soundtracks
[00:36:30] The bits of music
[00:36:32] The sound effects
[00:36:33] They use
[00:36:33] It all fits
[00:36:35] Into this really tight theme
[00:36:36] That just kind of
[00:36:37] Signals to the viewer
[00:36:38] Okay
[00:36:38] Now we're going to
[00:36:40] Go into a bit
[00:36:41] Of science
[00:36:42] They have kind of
[00:36:42] A specific soundbite
[00:36:43] For that
[00:36:44] That sounds a bit
[00:36:44] Like clinky clanky
[00:36:45] Kind of
[00:36:46] Beep boop boppy music
[00:36:47] Which I love
[00:36:48] It's that kind of
[00:36:49] Like brainwave music
[00:36:51] The pressure builds
[00:36:53] Back at M5
[00:36:54] As they start designing
[00:36:55] The full scale version
[00:36:56] We don't need something
[00:36:57] As complex as that
[00:36:58] We can have something
[00:36:59] Like
[00:37:01] MPTs
[00:37:01] Pipe fittings
[00:37:02] To have a tattritch
[00:37:03] Pipe fitting
[00:37:04] There so your hose
[00:37:05] Comes in
[00:37:05] And then
[00:37:07] A nipple
[00:37:08] A PSI
[00:37:09] Yeah
[00:37:09] What do we gain
[00:37:10] And what do we lose
[00:37:11] If
[00:37:11] You know
[00:37:13] When something
[00:37:13] Bad has gone on
[00:37:14] There's a bit of
[00:37:15] You know
[00:37:16] And their
[00:37:16] Experiment isn't working
[00:37:18] They have kind of
[00:37:19] That auditory cue
[00:37:20] Of kind of like
[00:37:20] A more somber
[00:37:21] Kind of intense
[00:37:22] Set of music
[00:37:23] So I think that
[00:37:25] Kind of just
[00:37:25] Almost primes you
[00:37:26] For you know
[00:37:27] Different segments
[00:37:28] Of the show
[00:37:29] What they do
[00:37:30] On some of the
[00:37:31] More complex sciences
[00:37:32] They either use
[00:37:33] Graphics
[00:37:33] Which
[00:37:34] They do it in a way
[00:37:35] That's quite like
[00:37:36] It doesn't look
[00:37:37] Super high budget
[00:37:39] But it works
[00:37:40] You know
[00:37:40] It's quirky
[00:37:41] It's funny
[00:37:41] It's simple
[00:37:42] And it gives it a flavor
[00:37:43] And they also
[00:37:45] Kind of supplement
[00:37:46] That with these
[00:37:47] The beginning
[00:37:48] Of every episode
[00:37:49] And the beginning
[00:37:49] Of every myth
[00:37:50] They have this
[00:37:50] Big blue piece
[00:37:51] Of paper
[00:37:51] And a silver
[00:37:52] Sharpie
[00:37:52] And they kind of
[00:37:53] Do like a fast
[00:37:54] Time lapse
[00:37:55] Of somebody scribbling
[00:37:56] Out the title
[00:37:57] And they'll sometimes
[00:37:58] Use that
[00:37:59] Especially in the
[00:37:59] Earlier seasons
[00:38:00] To explain scientific
[00:38:01] Concepts
[00:38:02] So you know
[00:38:02] They draw the graphs
[00:38:03] They show the mechanisms
[00:38:04] And do calculations
[00:38:05] On it
[00:38:06] So it makes it
[00:38:07] Really easy
[00:38:07] To follow a lot
[00:38:08] Of the
[00:38:09] Especially physics
[00:38:10] Concepts
[00:38:10] Because a lot
[00:38:11] Of it is about
[00:38:11] You know
[00:38:12] It's a lot
[00:38:13] Of engineering
[00:38:13] In physics
[00:38:14] It is
[00:38:14] They talk about it
[00:38:16] Unashamedly
[00:38:17] Yeah
[00:38:18] And they
[00:38:18] What I loved
[00:38:19] Is I read about
[00:38:20] How
[00:38:21] So there are
[00:38:22] A lot of different
[00:38:22] Crews worked
[00:38:23] Across the series
[00:38:24] And there was
[00:38:24] One of the directors
[00:38:25] Specifically
[00:38:26] They mentioned
[00:38:27] What was her name
[00:38:29] Alice
[00:38:29] They mentioned
[00:38:30] In one of these
[00:38:31] Clips on Adam Savage's
[00:38:32] YouTube channel
[00:38:33] And they were
[00:38:34] Talking about
[00:38:35] How she
[00:38:36] Wouldn't let
[00:38:36] Them
[00:38:38] Like stop
[00:38:39] Recording the piece
[00:38:39] To camera
[00:38:40] Until she got it
[00:38:41] Really
[00:38:41] She's like
[00:38:42] No you've got
[00:38:42] To explain it
[00:38:43] In a different way
[00:38:43] You've got to
[00:38:44] Explain it
[00:38:44] A different way
[00:38:44] And so
[00:38:45] What I took
[00:38:46] From that
[00:38:46] Is that
[00:38:47] They're not
[00:38:47] Trying to
[00:38:47] Dumb down
[00:38:48] They're just
[00:38:48] Trying to make
[00:38:48] Sure things
[00:38:49] Are explained
[00:38:49] Properly
[00:38:50] But also
[00:38:51] Things must be
[00:38:52] So lively
[00:38:53] Yeah
[00:38:54] Coming into
[00:38:54] This idea
[00:38:55] You were talking
[00:38:56] About of
[00:38:56] Chaos
[00:38:57] Things are so
[00:38:58] Lively and chaotic
[00:38:59] It makes it
[00:39:00] Feel so alive
[00:39:01] Because they're
[00:39:01] Doing it on camera
[00:39:02] Then
[00:39:03] Yes
[00:39:03] In the moment
[00:39:03] For the show
[00:39:04] Bangor to Theory
[00:39:04] I worked on
[00:39:06] We would change
[00:39:07] Things but we
[00:39:08] Would script
[00:39:08] Everything up
[00:39:09] Beforehand
[00:39:09] And it would
[00:39:10] Have gone through
[00:39:10] Several passes
[00:39:11] With different
[00:39:12] People on the team
[00:39:13] You know
[00:39:13] Going higher up
[00:39:14] To the execs
[00:39:14] To make sure
[00:39:15] The science was
[00:39:16] Right
[00:39:16] And that we
[00:39:17] Are explaining
[00:39:18] It in a good way
[00:39:19] Whereas it felt
[00:39:19] Like on that show
[00:39:20] It felt so much
[00:39:21] More alive
[00:39:21] Because maybe
[00:39:23] They were doing
[00:39:23] It more in the
[00:39:24] Moment
[00:39:24] Yeah
[00:39:25] Yeah
[00:39:25] It's that sense
[00:39:27] Of immediacy
[00:39:27] Where you know
[00:39:28] Even in this
[00:39:29] This episode
[00:39:29] That we're talking
[00:39:30] About today
[00:39:30] Is you know
[00:39:31] Adam's explaining
[00:39:32] How the
[00:39:34] It's a myth
[00:39:35] About this
[00:39:36] This viral video
[00:39:37] Of a car
[00:39:37] That's being lifted
[00:39:38] By like
[00:39:38] I don't know
[00:39:39] How many different
[00:39:40] Fire hoses
[00:39:41] Just the pressure
[00:39:42] Of the water
[00:39:43] Is lifting this car
[00:39:44] Into the air
[00:39:44] And it's hovering
[00:39:46] There
[00:39:47] Seems like a nightmare
[00:39:48] To engineer
[00:39:49] But they go ahead
[00:39:50] And do it
[00:39:50] And they explain
[00:39:51] You know
[00:39:51] Well each nozzle
[00:39:52] Has to produce
[00:39:53] This certain amount
[00:39:54] Of force
[00:39:54] To be able
[00:39:55] To get the car
[00:39:55] Up into the air
[00:39:56] And the arrangement
[00:39:58] Of the nozzles
[00:39:58] Has to be so
[00:39:59] That you know
[00:40:00] This one points
[00:40:00] This way
[00:40:01] To provide that stability
[00:40:02] And there's just
[00:40:03] A sequence
[00:40:04] Where Adam's like
[00:40:05] The water's gonna run down
[00:40:06] This hose here
[00:40:07] And it splits here
[00:40:08] And it goes into
[00:40:09] This direction
[00:40:09] And this direction
[00:40:10] You know
[00:40:10] And he's in the moment
[00:40:12] Like really engaging
[00:40:14] It's just him
[00:40:15] Kind of carrying it
[00:40:16] It's that character
[00:40:16] That enthusiasm
[00:40:17] That you know
[00:40:19] Grabs your attention
[00:40:20] And makes you
[00:40:23] Feel
[00:40:24] I don't know
[00:40:24] That you can understand
[00:40:25] Anything that he says
[00:40:26] Because he just
[00:40:26] He puts it in a way
[00:40:27] That you know
[00:40:28] Is infectious
[00:40:29] It's not
[00:40:30] It's not like
[00:40:31] Overly authoritative science
[00:40:33] It's not
[00:40:34] Dumbing it down
[00:40:35] To a very condescending level
[00:40:36] It's just
[00:40:37] Very much
[00:40:39] Inviting the audience
[00:40:40] To take part in it
[00:40:41] You know
[00:40:42] It's that
[00:40:42] Welcome in
[00:40:43] I want to show you this
[00:40:44] I want to tell you
[00:40:45] What this is like
[00:40:45] It's so sick
[00:40:47] And I'm gonna teach you why
[00:40:48] You know
[00:40:48] So having had the chance
[00:40:51] To watch this back
[00:40:52] Whether you felt it
[00:40:53] Sort of stood up
[00:40:54] To the test of time
[00:40:55] And also
[00:40:56] What it means to you
[00:40:57] Oh god
[00:40:58] I think it absolutely
[00:40:58] Stands the test of time
[00:41:00] I to this day
[00:41:01] Think that that is
[00:41:01] The best science format
[00:41:03] Ever
[00:41:04] And it really annoys me
[00:41:06] That nobody's really
[00:41:07] Caught on and done it again
[00:41:08] And the second it does happen
[00:41:10] I want to be on that production
[00:41:11] But that format
[00:41:12] Is just so
[00:41:13] I don't know
[00:41:14] For someone like me
[00:41:15] Who just has a hard time
[00:41:16] Sitting still
[00:41:17] And needs a lot of
[00:41:18] Chaos to engage me
[00:41:20] What it means to me
[00:41:21] Was
[00:41:23] Just
[00:41:24] Watching it
[00:41:24] Really made me feel like
[00:41:26] You know
[00:41:27] I'm watching this show
[00:41:28] That's being produced
[00:41:29] 30 to 45 minutes away
[00:41:30] From me
[00:41:32] And
[00:41:32] All these really cool people
[00:41:34] Who
[00:41:34] You know
[00:41:35] Seem like pretty normal people
[00:41:36] I mean especially
[00:41:37] Watching somebody like Carrie
[00:41:38] Who is
[00:41:38] You know
[00:41:39] The only
[00:41:40] Permanent woman
[00:41:41] On that show
[00:41:42] I mean they had other
[00:41:42] Kind of Scotty
[00:41:43] And you know
[00:41:44] A couple different people
[00:41:46] Featured in
[00:41:46] But
[00:41:46] Just watching her
[00:41:48] Take these heavy duty tools
[00:41:50] To like
[00:41:50] Cut shit apart
[00:41:51] And like make things
[00:41:52] And just hang there
[00:41:54] With everyone else
[00:41:55] She's doing all the heavy lifting
[00:41:56] She's doing all the mechanical stuff
[00:41:58] She's
[00:41:58] You know
[00:41:59] And she's explaining the science
[00:42:00] It's fun and engaging
[00:42:01] And
[00:42:02] So good to watch
[00:42:03] Just made me feel like
[00:42:04] You know
[00:42:05] A little girl
[00:42:05] Being like
[00:42:06] Yeah absolutely
[00:42:06] Not even a question
[00:42:07] I can do that
[00:42:08] There was never a doubt in my mind
[00:42:09] That I could
[00:42:10] One day be one of those
[00:42:11] People doing science
[00:42:13] Getting in the muck
[00:42:14] Getting dirty
[00:42:14] Getting
[00:42:15] You know
[00:42:16] Right there in the chaos of things
[00:42:17] And it's that enthusiasm
[00:42:19] That really pushed me
[00:42:20] To
[00:42:20] See how cool science is
[00:42:22] And it's something that I think
[00:42:23] Pushes me through a lot of jobs today
[00:42:24] And
[00:42:25] I'd like to think
[00:42:26] Is something that makes me
[00:42:27] Quite fun to work with
[00:42:28] Because I think
[00:42:29] I just get swept up
[00:42:29] In those moments
[00:42:30] And
[00:42:30] And it's okay to get swept up
[00:42:32] In those moments
[00:42:32] Because that's
[00:42:33] You know
[00:42:34] What makes good TV
[00:42:35] And brings people in
[00:42:37] I mean that's a great legacy
[00:42:38] For a TV show isn't it
[00:42:39] Absolutely
[00:42:40] Yeah
[00:42:40] Fantastic
[00:42:41] Thank you for sharing it
[00:42:42] Thank you
[00:42:43] Aw thank you for having me
[00:42:46] It's been so much fun
[00:42:52] This whole internet thing
[00:42:53] Is actually pretty nifty
[00:42:54] I thought that you'd like it
[00:42:56] It's almost as good
[00:42:57] As the telephone
[00:42:58] And you know
[00:42:59] I actually had a lot of fun
[00:43:01] On these viral videos
[00:43:02] So did I
[00:43:03] You know
[00:43:03] I was most impressed
[00:43:04] That everything we all tested
[00:43:06] Turned out to be
[00:43:07] Plausible or confirmed
[00:43:08] Honestly
[00:43:08] I can't remember
[00:43:09] The last time that happened
[00:43:10] There's plenty more
[00:43:11] Where that came from
[00:43:12] Oh yeah
[00:43:13] I smell a sequel